Underground Report: Elzhi and Hasan Salaam
Still staying on the east coast, and still in the vibe for conceptual and meaningful joints, HipHopDX heads over to New Jersey to chop it up with Hasan Salaam whose album, Children of God, a follow-up from his debut Paradise Lost (2005) is scheduled to drop early September. With his mind on a mission to deliberately decipher topics from politics to race, the emcee and youth worker offers Hip Hop fans that staple we’re oh so hungry for: insightful lyrics over bangin’ beats - and a voice deep enough to make Barry White jealous.
He is intelligent enough to speak the language of your reason and approachable enough to relate to your deepest confessions. As Salaam offers a possible explanation for the misogyny in Hip Hop, DX inquires upon the Children of God (sharply featuring Masta Ace, DJ GI Joe and Rugged N Raw), emceeing and Islam, and the connection between “The Uprock” and “The Downrock.”
HipHopDX: Salaam Hasan. Brief introduction for those still sleeping?
Hasan Salaam: Peace, this is Hasan Salaam. I got into Hip Hop when I was like three years old – as far as writing, 11 years old, 12 years old. My goals with Hip Hop are in sha’ Allah to be able to add on to the struggle music that’s been here from my people for 500 years; and one day that it helps us to getting free. On the business aspect of things, one day I’m gonna open up a couple of centers built for the youth in Jersey. After school programs, basketball, chess, philosophy; just a spot kids can go, be safe and educate themselves. That’s my ultimate goal.
DX: How difficult – or easy – it is to be pushing through the Jersey/New York’s Hip Hop scene, which doesn’t seem to be having any particular direction at this moment?
HS: Everybody and their mama raps right now. [Laughs] Outside of New York and New Jersey, I definitely see more support from people who aren’t emcees, just the listeners and the supporters. But the good thing about being in New York and New Jersey is there are mad venues here. Any day I can be just like “I’ma go out, I’m a perform tonight” and I can make that happen. And within all of that, you definitely find a lot of people that are talented, that have a real love for Hip Hop - it’s got its pluses and its minuses.
DX: Tell us about your upcoming album, Children of God.
HS: Children of God is basically my response - I work with kids now and I’m really just tired of hearing them refer to themselves as “nigga” and “bitch” before anything else. I’m a firm believer that the creator, the most high, Allah – whatever you want refer to the most high as – exists in all of us. And we’re learning as we go along. This is my second album; it’s a lot of my experiences, a lot of what I’ve been through and what I’ve seen, and how it’s lead me to where I am with my life.
DX: Any particular concepts/themes?
HS: The main thing on the album is just that no matter how bad things get, no matter what we might be involved in, what we might do, Allah is still with us. We still have the ability and we still have the means to make things better and try to better our lives - and not only better our own personal lives but better the lives of the people in our community and the world. We definitely are in serious times. We’re still persecuted in America and all over the world. If we’re still our own worst enemies and we keep referring to ourselves as all kinds of crazy things, we’re never gonna be able to rise above the situation we’re in and we’re just gonna stay stuck in it; and we’re gonna be complaining about the same thing 500 years from now.
DX: The production on the joint caters to your voice and flow really well. Some of the tracks, like “The Downrock,” are commercially friendly - was that intentional?
HS: Well it wasn’t made to be more commercially acceptable; everything on there is made to be good Hip Hop; good music. “The Downrock” joint, me and RNR, we just wanted to see what would happen if we put both of our production styles together. I’m real into melody and RNR is known for his drum patterns. We wanted to see what would happen and that’s the track that came out of it. I’m a do me regardless, that’s why I said on that joint Industry cats doing coke and a smile, thinking I’ll ever be switching my style. I can rock over anything; I love Hip Hop, I love rocking a party, I love rocking a show – but I’m still gonna be myself and bring the message that I want to bring to everything.
But the overall production, I just wanted to step it up because a lot of people have said to me before “the production was alright on the last one,” but they felt at times that the lyrics or my voice would overpower certain joints. I want to be able to compete with the people that are supposed to be on top. I’m tired of people saying “Yo, this artist is trash but his beats are hot so I listen to him.”
HS: There are powerful political intros on the album including one on native religion and one on the usage of the “N” word. How do they assist in your overall intention for the album?
DX: That’s like when you write a paper, and you write your thesis statement - that’s kind of like the thesis right there. Originally, this was gonna be a mixtape but I decided I don’t want to rhyme over other people’s beats no more. So it fits better within the storyline. A lot of people were like, “Why you gonna put God in the title, people are gonna be scared.” But it’s funny - you put “nigger” into something, you put “gun”, you put “bitch”, seems like people will gravitate to it.
DX: Why do you think that is?
HS: We’ve become accustomed. We view ourselves in that way. We almost expect to be called that. On some level it’s the shock value of it; on he other levels it’s – the main purchasers of this music are Caucasian so it’s cool to them to be like, “What’s up my nigga?” [Laughs] It’s attractive in that kind of aspect. When people talk about the devil, they say, “That was the most beautiful angel,” or “the brightest angel” or some shit like that. Not to even take that in the literal sense of it but usually, doing wrong is very attractive. You get a rush when you’re on the block hustling; you get a rush when you steal from somebody; and that’s where I think it comes from a lot of self-hatred.
DX: The track “Suga” replenishes the positive outlook on women that’s desperately missing from Hip Hop. Why did you choose to opt out of disrespecting females even though many rappers excuse misogyny with “What I rap is what I see”?
HS: I kind of wrote that joint as like my dream woman…I wrote that song a while ago. And it was just kind of like what would be everything that I would want in a woman and what I would be to that woman and what she would be to me, and how we’d help one another. I heard that beat, my man Impact made it and I was always a fan of the original from Curtis Mayfield - and I know he wrote the original for his daughter. And I was like “I’m grown up now, what would I expect from a woman as my equal?”
DX: Why is the negativity against women so prevalent?
HS: Hip Hop is like a microcosm of how we are right now; society-wise, women are put down. So within Hip Hop, that shit sells. Sex sells faster than anything else […] everybody want to sell that. If somebody just got a half-naked woman in the video most people might not even listen to the video, they’re just gonna have it on mute and watch. I know mad people that just got BET on mute; not even listening to the song, but you still know the artist’s name…
The actual misogyny of everything I think is because subconsciously, black men in this country are very marginalized […] they view us physically strong but mentally weak. Within the society itself, look at what’s going on. When you get shot 50 times don’t nothing happen. I ain’t never heard of police shooting up a white kid 50 times […] ultimately in these situations, it’s come out in such a way that a man doesn’t feel like a man – look at situations like men beating on their women of any color or class. A lot of the times it’ll be like “Oh, I got fired from a job so I hit my wife.” One has nothing to do with the other but that’s the closest person to you and that’s the only situation where you feel you have some kind of power. That’s one of the main ways it comes out. Like, “Let me put down a black woman; a black woman has less of a voice than I do so at least she’s not gonna fire back”…
DX: Great analysis. Is there a connection between “The Uprock” and “The Downrock”?
HS: Yeah those are supposed to just rock together…It was kind of my dedication to the people. The b-boy was the first…the b-boy was exploited. Now it’s the emcee that’s exploited most by mainstream culture. But back in the day they used to have break dancers in the McDonald’s commercials – they still do but then even more. And then they tried to kind of make it seem like “This isn’t relevant anymore so we’re not gonna push this it.” I’ve always loved break dancing; it’s the one thing I can’t do. I can deejay a little bit, I can throw my tag up here and there, and I can rhyme; but I tried break dancing once and I messed up my whole shit. [Laughs]
DX: Is it difficult to be a Muslim and an emcee at the same time?
HS: It’s a lot [more] difficult to be a Muslim in this day and time where we live regardless of your profession and your talents.
DX: I’m asking because there’s perhaps more exposure to drugs, alcohol, women?
HS: I’ve been exposed to that stuff my whole life. [Laughs] I don’t think I’m exposed to it just because I’m an emcee. The last show that we did – I usually carry my chess with me because I’m big ass chess fiend – and I was joking with my man like, “We were breaking all these stereotypes of what we supposed to be doing backstage. We supposed to be sitting here with weed and women - but we’re here playing chess.”